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Most of you know that I've been looking around at options for getting what some lightheartedly call a Real Job (TM) while I finish my PhD. I still do want to get the degree, but I'd prefer not to put off things like moving to someplace that is closer to where most of our friends live (Pacific NW, the Bay), making an actual salary (and concomitants such as buying a house)...put them off, that is, any longer than I already have. Plus, it's become apparent to me that working in industry, in a position in which I am asked to do research and development in aid of solving Real Problems, is what I'd prefer to be doing for the foreseeable future.

So a few months ago I was put in the way of this "applied researcher" position at Microsoft, in the MSN division, whose purpose would be to help MS develop reputation models for on-line interactions (eventually, over the next few years, in all sorts of contexts). This is related to a problem that I worked on a few years ago (during my most recent stint at the U of Oregon) and while I put it aside when I came to UC Irvine, I've continued to be interested in it, and I think that it's an important problem. It happens that my work at UC Irvine has given me a good background in some of the areas of knowledge that are germane to this problem, and my friend Danyel--a former UC Irvine grad student and colleague of mine on an ongoing project, now at MS Research--put in a good word for me.

Anyway, I talked with my potential boss and others a lot on the phone, I looked around at (and talked to) other companies, I visited, I interviewed, they were really excited and made me a good offer a couple of days later (early last week), and yesterday I called them up and accepted it.

There are some downsides: I won't have as much freedom to work on one of my cherished side projects, it will take me longer to finish my PhD than it would if I just worked on it until I was done (although in theory, all I'll have left to do once I start there is write my dissertation), and I hear that the procedure for implanting the mind-control chip is slightly painful. (At first. Then the Kool-Aid kicks in.) However, I think that it will be a fun and challenging job, the people there seem like generally good folks to work with, and it's pretty close to a lot of our friends and family. It's even possible that some of my work there might end up giving me some additional material for my dissertation, which would be cool.

So a few months from now, we will be moving up to the Seattle area, and hopefully buying a house that we can invite people over to and stuff. We're really looking forward to it.

And that's the scoop. (Mint chocolate chip, I think.) :)

(no subject)

Date: 1 March 2006 14:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ewin.livejournal.com
Well, congratulations! Dissertations are helped by being able to eat, live in a house, and such things. :)

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Date: 1 March 2006 15:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Thanks. Food and housing haven't really been a problem, per se--my wife has a good job, and I do actually get paid (somewhat) to do research as a grad student--but I am really looking forward to moving out of SoCal and back to places that actually experience weather.

Congratulations Josh!

Date: 1 March 2006 17:01 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's always great to find a job. Especially one that pays well and has a good work environment. I hope you have a blast.

- Biao

Re: Congratulations Josh!

Date: 1 March 2006 17:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Thanks. :)

How's your job working out for you?

Congrats!

Date: 1 March 2006 17:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yozlet.livejournal.com
Very nice! I've always been a big fan of MS Research, they do some fantastically cool stuff. Please play with all of it for me and report back, kthxbye.

Re: Congrats!

Date: 1 March 2006 17:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
I won't actually be working in MSR myself, although I'll be collaborating with some people from there. Insofar as I get a chance to play with the Cool Toys that they generate, though, I'll be happy to blather about them at length. :)

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Date: 1 March 2006 18:22 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'll join with the rest in the congrats department!!! This sounds like an ideal solution for you & family. I know from personal experience how difficult finishing the fud is, and I have also seen how supportive tech companies can be of people finishing up remotely.

I would also give you unasked for advice - do finish. It can be all too easy to loose track of the academic side of things once you're in a Real Job. Working directly or tangentially on a technology that could make the company millions or billions can be very distracting. However, especially in tech companies I've found a large amount of unspoken Degreeism at work. I'm not quite sure how to phrase it... it's more difficult for people without a doctorate to become influential? No not that exactly... more that there tends to be a kind of segregation. The people with degrees tend to be in charge of making technology design and strategy decisions, while the people without tend to be in charge of making logistical, mechanistic and marketing decisions. Does that make any sense? Maybe I'm totally off base here...

In any case, that's great news - send us a change of address thingie once you've got everything worked out!!

:D
-Judson

PS - enjoy the cool-aid!

PPS - I've heard the M$ employees get some serious discounts on the software, which they're allowed to buy for family&friends. If that's true, can you let me know? I've got an opteron that's been long waiting for a 64bit version of XP.

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Date: 1 March 2006 20:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
I would also give you unasked for advice - do finish.

I do intend to finish my degree--and I agree that it would provide some intangible/social advantages in some of my dealings there and elsewhere. It would also keep my options a bit more open in terms of academia, should I ever choose to go back in that direction.

Software discounts: yeah, I get those, although I don't yet know how much of a discount I get. Ask me in a few months. :)

(no subject)

Date: 9 March 2006 11:57 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Happened to see this linked on /. and wanted to make sure you saw it. I think a lot of tech companies are like this, I don't think MS is unique.

http://www.washtech.org/news/industry/display.php?ID_Content=5041

-Judson

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Date: 9 March 2006 12:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Thanks. Not entirely news to me. Fortunately, my base salary is high enough that I don't expect this to be an issue in the immediate future. (Plus, it strikes me as likely that MS will start to address this situation, as I imagine that they're somewhat concerned about that part of the employee turnover that _isn't_ their idea.)

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Date: 2 March 2006 02:20 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] vito-excalibur.livejournal.com
Congratulations!

And good luck with the thesis.

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Date: 2 March 2006 11:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Thanks!

congratulations!

Date: 2 March 2006 09:43 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
see, i told you my inherent evil would eventually drive you from this realm.

oh, and congratulations.

t.

Re: congratulations!

Date: 2 March 2006 11:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Sorry, but your inherent evil is as nothing when measured against the dystopian evil that is Disneyland. (Then again, you present a different sort of threat, being more mobile.) ;)

Thanks. :)

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Date: 3 March 2006 16:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyd.livejournal.com
I am so glad for you. I hope we can hang out more with you up closer.

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Date: 5 March 2006 12:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jrtom.livejournal.com
Thanks. All things considered, I'm so glad for me, too. :)

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